i mean, if you cut people's taxes, great. who doesn't want that? on the other hand, if you're going to give them -- take away that same money by changing out the loopholes, you end up with the same thing. why is that going to provide more jobs than what we're dealing with today? nobody's going to have extra money. >> you guys. >> i like the romney-created guiding principles that both democrats and republicans could participate in the decision and implementation of the program. >> i think romney has a very specific plan. he's focused on five specific things, but most of it is jobs. he's all about getting people back to work, raising more revenues because of jobs, and, therefore, not having to raise taxes like he'd have to. >> it would appear to be about leadership and being able to bring people together. not in dividing people. >> not issue, leadership. that's an attribute. >> it is. but it translate into the individual issues. you have to be able to bring divergent opinions together and craft an outcome. we haven't seen that for four years. >> the